Sizes/Specs

Fun Runner 60

  • Weight: 35 lbs
  • Length: 7’9” (236 cm)
  • Width: 25” (63.5 cm)
  • Height: 12-3/4” (32.4 cm)
  • Volume: 60 US Gallons (227 liters)
  • Ideal Weight Range: 100-200 lbs
  • Cockpit Dimensions: 34.5″ x 20.75
  • MSRP: $1,049

Recommended Weight Ranges:

  • Beginner- 90-160
  • Intermediate- 90-180
  • Advanced- 90-210

Fun Runner 70

  • Weight: 38
  • Length: 8’2” (249 cm)
  • Width: 26-3/8” (67 cm)
  • Height: 13-3/8” (34 cm)
  • Volume: 70 US Gallons (265 liters)
  • Ideal Weight Range: 150-250-lbs
  • Cockpit Dimensions: 34.5″ x 20.25
  • MSRP: $1049

Recommended Weight Ranges:

  • Beginner- 140-210
  • Intermediate- 170-230
  • Advanced- 190-250

Comments on “Sizes/Specs”

  1. Tony D
    August 10, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    How much do they weigh and what are the paddler’s weight ranges for each size? Thanks in advance.

  2. Michael
    October 9, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Same question here, to what weightclasses are these models available?
    Fit into the SuperFun (2007), unfortunately many brands doesn’t think there are “bigger” paddlers nowadays (in contruary).

    1. October 10, 2011 at 4:19 pm

      Hey Michael,
      Not sure on the exact weight classes since we don’t have the final boats in yet. I can guess but I like to get actual feedback and see some heavier / lighter people paddle the boats before I give someone who may on the bubble a number. Stay tuned!
      Clay Wright

      1. December 5, 2011 at 2:49 pm

        We’re going to have some wide weight rages for these boats which will be up soon.

        If you are looking at these as your playboat, you’ll want to be a much bigger person in it than you would if you want a river runner. At 190 lbs some can flatwater cartwheel and bow stall and stern squirt the 60 no problem…but even at 175 I couldn’t do any of that in flatwater but wanted a larger boat for downriver paddling.

        For my use of this model… river running with SOME play (surfing, spinning, blunts and maybe enders, cartwheel or loop in really good spots) I would choose the 70 because it was so much faster for me and also still really fun on the waves.

        I put the Funrunner 60 between the 2-Fun and Fun while the 70 would be a bit below 4-Fun size for that type of paddling. Consider them Medium-small and low-end of Large.

        For more aggressive, vertical paddling you’ll look to the Fun and 4-Fun weight ranges but don’t stop there… paddlers 190-220 are loving the 60 so for more squirty fun the 70 will go deep into the 200lbs+ range.

        Hope this helps!
        Clay Wright

  3. Danny O'Keeffe
    October 10, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    when will these boats be available?? im a superfun now want to add a river runner to my arsenal!

  4. craig
    November 2, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    What about now?

    Same questions really, what do they weigh?
    Which one for sombody 5’6″ & 11 stone?
    When are they going to go on sale in the uk?

    Cheers.

    1. November 8, 2011 at 9:42 pm

      You know, I just can’t say for certain right now but I saw the 1st Funrunner 60 come down the line yesterday and it looks sweet! That’s the smaller one… compare to a Fun or Hero in weight range I would suspect.

      Ej’s got it to take on the water this afternoon so I think you’ll be hearing more very soon 🙂

      Clay

  5. Lee Lindemann
    November 12, 2011 at 1:06 am

    SL only? no x-link? Can’t wait for demos to arrive in the PNW!

    Lee

    1. Lee Lindemann
      November 14, 2011 at 2:31 pm

      Fair enough. Good to hear SL is catching up with the X-link, but… What about the outfitting? I love my sweet checks, and I prefer the adjustment of the higher end seat as well. I also image that bar helps for something no?

      Cheers!

      Lee

  6. Steve Jacques
    November 15, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    I really want to order one…..but it’s hard not knowing what the weight range is….
    Don’t take this the wrong way, but you are taking orders for the 60 and 70 without having the weight ranges available….
    I am a die hard Jackson fan….I paddle a 2010 4fun and love it.
    I am 6’3″ and 205lbs….I have been told the 70 would be best, but I would like to know what the ranges are before deciding…my weight puts me inbetween boats a lot of times….

    1. November 15, 2011 at 9:09 pm

      Hey Steve:
      I’ve paddled the 60 and no one yet has paddled the 70 so what I’m sure of is that the 70 is without a doubt your best option!

      You can paddle the 60 up to 200 lbs if you wanted a squirty, very playful boat. For more river running, speed, forgiving edges, etc you’ll want the larger one. I weight 175 and while stern squirting and flatwater cartwheeling were possible for me, it was a big challenge and not really what this model is about. Once I got paddling around I really liked the speed and surfabillity, but felt like the boat was smaller than expected on me and I might be the ‘in between’ size instead.

      It’s the 70 for sure at 200 lbs 6’3”.
      Clay

      1. Steve Jacques
        November 16, 2011 at 3:25 am

        Clay,
        Thanks for the response!
        I am looking for a boat that is river running, eddy hop, surf your ass off, run anything…..
        I will use my 4fun for everything else…..
        Does that make sense?

  7. Brett
    November 20, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    I had a quick question regarding the size of the Fun Runner. I’m 6’7″ 230 with a 37″ inseam. I currently have a Villian and Super Fun. How much legroom is in the fun runner 70 compared to either of those? Or would i have better luck looking into the zen once that comes out?

    Also on a side note i had a friend tell me that you guys sell a C1 conversion kit, if so where would i go to inquire about one?

    Thanks in advance!

    1. November 21, 2011 at 6:58 pm

      Hi Brett,

      Great question about the legroom. It is a different fit from both of those. A little tighter than the Super Fun, I think. The Zen 80 would have more footroom and float you higher. I would suggest waiting for that, unless you want to be able to squirt the Fun Runner!

      For a C1 conversion, yes, we are now making a C1 saddle!!! Order one at your dealer!

  8. Ruth Steele
    November 23, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    How much does the Fun Runner 60 weigh?
    Cheers,
    Ruth

    1. November 24, 2011 at 2:48 pm

      Hey Ruth
      It weighs 35 pounds!
      Hope that helps
      Emily Jackson

  9. December 4, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    What are the cockpit sizes? I have some people asking me. And I hane no idea.

  10. Leo K
    January 21, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    I had Super Fun and it was a really good fit but I am 240 lbs with all of my gear on. I have been paddling for about 5 years but I am no means an expert. Would I sink this boat and cause it to pearl? Just looking for good river runner that I can surf and try simple surf moves in.(Not looking to do any squirting either)

    1. January 25, 2012 at 3:48 pm

      I am pretty sure the Funrunner 70 is not nearly as big a boat as the Super-fun. It’s a longer boat, and may be fun for you to paddle and squirt and surf, but the cockpit room and waterline will be smaller for sure. Consider the Funrunner 70 to be a Med / Large size whereas the Super-Fun is an XL.

      Try it for sure, but don’t order till you see for yourself what it will feel like.

      Clay

      1. Leo K
        February 3, 2012 at 1:27 am

        thank you

  11. jules
    February 1, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Hi Guys,

    I paddle an old Pyranha s8 235; its dimensions are VERY similar to your fun runner 60 – 7’9″ and 60 gal. Are you going all retro on us?! If you are GOOD ON YOU to blend modern outfitting and materials with a hint of classic designs.

    I am 190lb so on the ‘sporty size’ and use this boat up to a grade 3/3+. It surfs, squirts and runs a treat. If this is a modern equivalent it will transform those familiar runs into a world of fun.

    All the best.

    Jules

  12. Bill
    February 8, 2012 at 12:22 am

    I am 5’11”, size 10.5 shoe, 33″ inseam and 200 lbs. I paddle a 2010 4-fun and Villain S, a 2011 Hero(I am well over the suggested weights for the Villain S and Hero,) and a Dagger Axiom 8.5(because Jackson didn’t have the Funrunner or Zen.) I had a 2008 Super Hero that always felt too large for me, but I got rid of it and I love my new Hero. I sat in the Funrunner 60 and it felt just a smidge too short leg-wise without having to move the seat back, but the 70 had considerably more leg room and I enjoyed demoeing it twice, once side by side with my Axiom. Very comparable fun downriver surf boats although I think the Funrunner is a little more forgiving in a side surf. I am also waiting to try both the medium and large Zens before I decide which Jackson kayak will replace my Dagger. I am sold on Jackson kayaks and outfitting. Thanks for all the great boats!

  13. Andy Leneway
    February 24, 2012 at 3:08 am

    What is the cockpit size on the Fun Runner 70?

    1. March 8, 2012 at 9:37 pm

      Good question! I’ll try and get that info posted soon.

      Clay

  14. Richard M
    February 27, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    I canoe (OT Appalacian) with guys who have, and sometimes use, OT Dirigo 10-footers instead of their canoes on day trips and spring streams (nothing higher than Class 3 so far). So I’m looking for a river runner (I assume) to not only keep up with them, but make them all feel inadequate (what else are friends for?). I’m 5′ 10″ and 190lbs on a good day (though aiming for a little less by summer) and well over half way to the nursing home. We run rivers with mostly CI-II 1-2 rips and rapids and the occassional CIII, so tracking and speed are as important as manuverability to me. Really good back support is important. Is the Fun Runner 70 the Jackson kayak for me? And where Can I find one way out here in New Brunswick, Canada?

    1. March 29, 2012 at 8:20 pm
  15. Stuart
    March 14, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    What is the cockpit size for the fun runner 60 and some spray skirts what would work best for this boat…thanks

    1. March 21, 2012 at 1:58 pm

      We are getting a lot of this question and sorry it’s not on the website yet!

      The cockpit is a tad smaller than our creek boats, more similar to the playboats. If you check to see what skirts fit an All-star you’ll get the right one for the Funrunner 60. Every skirt company has different sizing so it’s hard for me to say. I use the same skirt on my All-star as I do my Super-hero (tight fit), the Zen 75 and the Zen 65.
      The important part is you get one that fits Jackson boats in a medium size… they will fit almost every boat we make. Looser on smaller boats, tighter on bigger ones.

      Our cockpits are wider and our seats sit further forward in the cockpit so if there is a ”Jackson size” go with that.

      Good luck – search the websites for IR and Snapdragon – they have the lists.

      Clay

  16. Joe Pierce
    March 23, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    I would like to throw in my boat selection/sizing questions here as well. I have been paddling CL 1-2 for a couple of years in my rec boat, but am looking to step up into a ww boat. I think that I will mostly be into river running with some surfing thrown in for starters. I am 5’8″, 175 lb.

    I have been looking primarily at the FR, because it seems more playful. Based on your listed weight ranges, I think I am kind of inbetween the FR sizes. I have tried both in a pool roll practice. I found with the FR 70, I had to move the seat up to its most forward position to get proper thigh brace positioning. Would this impact the fore/aft weight balance of the boat? Also, the fit with the hip pads was kinda loose, so I found myself sliding from side to side when rolling. In the FR 60, the thigh brace positioning feels good with the seat in its center position, but I am told I am too heavy for that boat. I also tried out the Zen 65 in the pool, and it felt like it fit me as well as the FR 60. Given the type of paddling I am planning, maybe the Zen would be a better choice? any and all advice welcome. Thanks!

    1. March 29, 2012 at 8:39 pm

      I’m 5’9” and 175 lbs too, and I prefer the Funrunner 70’s fast surfy feel to the playfulness of the 60… makes it faster in rapids and more forgiving as well.

      As for the Zen’s, I’m playing around in the 65 and creeking the 75 – fit of both these larger boats greatly improved simply by adding a seat pad – sweet cheeks or an extra foam pad you make or purchase from JK.com store. Both these boats will run class 4 nicely.

      Try the added pad in the seat of the FR 70 and then try the Zen 65 again and see for yourself – two great takes on the river – running genre.

      Clay

    2. July 22, 2012 at 1:25 pm

      Hey Joe
      You could do either fun runner. The 70 if the hips were too loose, simply add hip shims into the boat and it can be snug….

      being forward in the Fun Runner isn’t a bad thing.

      You aren’t too heavy for the 60, just if you are pushing your river running, it will be a little swirlier than that 70 as your edges would be a tad lower in the water.

      The zen is very stable, and very different. I would recommend trying one to see if thats what you would want in comparison!

      Hope that helps!
      Emily

  17. Mike D
    March 26, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    I am torn between the Fun Runner and Zen, which to choose? I want a full on planing hull for serious wave carving and eddy hopping maneuvers and ferrys in rapids, but a top deck design that is forgiving if I get in some larger water. Is the Fun Runner just a slicier Zen? Are the hulls the same, if not what are the differences? I’m 6′, 190 lbs, 34 inch inseam, size 9 shoe and looking to run mostly fun Class III with an occasional IV creek or III big water. I currently own a 4Fun (love it) and looking to replace my Salto which allows me to run anything but is not much fun. It looks like if I go Fun Runner I’m looking at the 70, but if I go Zen would the 65 be right for me without getting too big/long?

    1. March 29, 2012 at 6:12 am

      Good questions…
      Since you have a 4-Fun consider the Zen 75 – a 9′ planing hull model with ample volume for river running harder stuff. In the Funrunner, the 70 for sure and it will paddle like a much faster 4-Fun with a slicier stern when river running. The Zen 65 will also paddle more playfully but much more like a river runner than your 4-fun… more similar to the Funrunner 70 in size but perhaps it might sit lower in the water. The Zen 75 will sit you up high on the water like a creek boat for a more forgiving experience but will also surf and drive faster than the others.

      Funrunner 70 for faster higher volume 4-Fun ish day. Much more forgiving deck and surfs really well. Try this one first and see if it’s big enough for the rivers you want to paddle.

      Zen 75 for a completely different experience. Faster and even more slalom-esqe, also surfy, much more ‘ride high’ downriver friendly for creeks or harder rivers. Great boat and doesnt ‘fit’ as big as most creekers. Good Luck!
      Clay

    2. Bill
      April 1, 2012 at 3:06 pm

      I’m 5’11” 198 lbs, 33 inseam and I’ve paddled the funrunner 70 and the zen 65 and 75. I think for me the funrunner is the most fun boat to paddle(and I’m talking all kayaks, not just these models) on 3’s, familiar 4’s and even big water 3’s- particularly if you like to surf. If I owned a funrunner 70 it would be the boat I would be in most of the time. For challenging or big water 4’s I would choose the zen 75. I currently own a villain s, a 2011 hero, a 2010 4fun, and a dagger axiom 8.5. I’m thinking of replacing my villain with the zen 75 this year for my big water class 4 boat and eventually replacing my dagger with a funrunner for a little better performance and jackson outfitting.

  18. Melisa
    April 1, 2012 at 1:15 am

    I always have such a hard time finding boats that fit. I’m 28 yrs old, 4’11”, 110 lbs with short legs. Just bought the Zen 55 but I’m worried that for my weekend warrior slalom races a Funrunner would have been more appropriate, but unfortunately there was no Funrunner 50 to fit my small size. Do you guys intend to eventually integrate the 50 into the product line? Would you also agree that the Funrunner would perform better in the slalom races? I sure would appreciate the weight reduction in the boat for those portages on the downriver races!

    1. April 3, 2012 at 12:48 pm

      Hey Melisa:

      While there is no Funrunner 50 scheduled you should try the 60 as it feels smaller to me than the Zen 65 and I actually prefer the 70 (170lbs) even for just paddling slalom-style lines. I don’t know how the speed compares but if the 60 is lighter there’s a chance given the long waterline and low rocker that it could be just as fast or faster even though it floats high.

      The only benefit I can think of would be the weight and stern deck height, which is lower with the Funrunner. I’m do not think you’ll be pivot turning either of these boats so while I DO suggest you try one, I don’t know for sure there will be an advantage. Let us know how it goes and good lines!

      Clay

  19. Fritz Nenninger
    April 7, 2012 at 3:51 am

    I am 5’9′, 178 pounds, 30 inseam. I was hoping to replace my Dagger Axiom 8.5 with a Funrunner 70. I picked up a demo from Mtn Quest in Edward CO. When I tried to outfit it in my garage, I had to move the seat ALL the way forward fit into the knee braces. This put me so far forward in the kayak that I am not sure that I would be able to safely exit the boat in case of an emergency. Also, it was almost impossible to reach the back coaming to put my sprayskirt on because I was sitting so far forward. I have been kayaking for 50 years and have owned about 40 different kayaks, incl. several Jackson kayaks and have never had a problem getting a decent fit. Am I doing something wrong or is the 70 just too big for me?

    1. April 11, 2012 at 5:16 am

      Hey Fritz!
      50 years? Wow. While all our cockpit rims sit a bit further back than most, I’m betting you are sitting too far forwards for sure.

      Instead of moving forwards in the boat, consider sitting up on a foam pad or sweet cheeks. I’m also 5’9” and grabbed an extra foam pad for mine that I sit on top of the existing one, or just add the Sweet Cheeks from my other boat. The extra height puts you closer to the thigh hooks without going so far forwards.

      Hope this does it for you – the stability of the boat should allow this no problem and in general our boats are so forgiving the higher center of gravity goes over really smoothly. Let me know if you have any more problems.. Clay (my first name @jacksonkayak.com)

  20. Stuart
    April 14, 2012 at 1:12 am

    Hi I just picked up a Jackson Funrunner 60 and I hope you can help me out… I am 6’2″ and 170 pounds and I was wondering if I could do anything to get me a little more room out of the boat because I have the seat all the way back as well as the bulk head and its tight to say the least. I should have went with the 70 but any comment will help.
    Thanks,
    Stuart

    1. trevorspik
      April 24, 2012 at 8:44 pm

      you could always try cutting down the thickness of the foam at your feet. you could probably squeeze an inch or two more room without endangering your knees.

  21. Chip
    June 6, 2012 at 1:13 am

    Fun Runner or Zen?

    Trying to decide on a 50th birthday present to myself. I paddle a 2fun for lower volume class III stuff, but find I loose confidence in it when the volume get’s big or on class IV water. My current stable consists of a small Solo (no fun but super safe) and an old Riot Booster 55 – which is better on the higher volume flows, but it’s super low deck means I am constantly fighting pearling when I surf, especially at my weight (160)

    Fun Runner and Zen both seem like good alternatives. If you had to choose one or the other for combination of higher flow confidence and down-river surf-play, which would you pick?

    Personal specs:
    5′ 4″
    160 lbs
    Intermediate + (good reliable rolls, river reading and line skills, and agressive nature)

    Thanks for the advice.

    1. June 6, 2012 at 9:42 pm

      Tough call… I would choose the Zen for all-around paddling if you want to be in the Solo less, as it will run just about anything creeky or not, or the Funrunner for more slalom-esque paddling and lighter weight.

      I actually enjoyed the Funrunner 70 a whole lot – even more than the 60 except for playing the hole and doing cartwheels and stuff. As the 60 is tough to stern squirt anyway the 70 isn’t something I would have tried if it were not part of the testing but I liked it as a versatile all-arounder for sure.

      I would suggest you try these boats and see what you think… The Zen 65 is an easy safe option while the Funrunners are more sporty and I’m not sure which you would prefer. Both a easier to paddle downriver than the 2-Fun while far faster and zippier than the Solo.

      Good questions for sure – even I’m having trouble.

      Clay

      1. Chip
        June 7, 2012 at 11:12 am

        Thanks Clay…actually I think you hit on the right solution…funrunner, but in the 70, at the bottom end of the weight range the extra volume should give the speed and margin I want for pushier water, but I can still surf my way down.

  22. ute
    June 27, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Help – I’d love to test the FR60! I just haven’t found a dealer in Germany or Austria yet … any idea?
    Thanks,
    Ute

    1. June 28, 2012 at 11:21 pm

      Hmm – check the dealer locator on out website and then look for our international importer, Robson. Robson imports into that area for us and will know all the local dealers as well as which one is closest to you. I’m not that familiar with Germany…Good Luck!
      Clay

  23. Whoever
    July 5, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    What exactly each boat weigh? Thanks

    1. July 5, 2012 at 10:17 pm

      Not sure – if the website doesn’t say it then i don’t know either. I would guess from paddling them that the 60 weights about 28-32 and the 70 30-35.

      These are Light boats! Comparable to our Rockstar playboats despite being longer.

      Clay

  24. Casey
    July 6, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Hi Jackson Team,
    I have been paddling whitewater for about 2 years now and am looking to buy my first new boat. I am 5’9″ and 210 with gear. I primarily run only rivers and am not really comfortable yet paddling anything over class III, though I do want a boat that I can grow with up to class IV at the most.

    My question is with my skill set (novice to intermediate) would I better be suited for the Fun Runner 70 or the Zen 75? I did get a chance to paddle the Zen but not the Fun Runner yet. Coming from a Jefe grande (I know this is not the right boat for me but it was free) to the Zen was an amazing change in comfort, confidence/stability, speed, slalom like handling, etc. I could go on and on….

    Seeing I am primarily running rivers would the Fun Runner be a better option for me to grow with as opposed to the larger Zen. I am looking for a good confidence builder with good maneuverability, decent tracking, stability, ease of rolling, and of course fun.

    I hope to be getting in the Fun Runner for a demo sometime in the near future, but could use an expert opinion on whether I should be looking at the fun river runner or the Zen which seems to be able to to handle creeks as well (though I dont see creeking in my near future).

    Any help would be appreciated.
    Thanks,
    Casey

    1. July 7, 2012 at 6:05 pm

      Hey Casey –

      The Zen is more versatile towards river running and some creeking. At 210 it will be a very sporty boat for you and if you want MORE creek-like handling you might choose a Super-hero instead.

      If you want more PLAY than harder rivers then the Funrunner 70 is a good pick. In both of these boats you will be near the top end of the weight range for river running so I would choose the Zen for sure.

      Hope this helps!

      Clay

  25. j engel
    July 8, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Clay,
    I am 5:11 and weigh 185. My present river runner is a remix 69 was a good boat on the Grand. My play boat is a fuse 56. I am looking for a river runner that has a planong hull and some speed. The look and shape of the fun runner caught my attention. I have been paddling better than 30 years class 3&4 is just fine with me. I am wondering what fun runner you would suggest.

    Thank you!

    JE

    1. July 14, 2012 at 9:33 pm

      HEy J:
      Definitely the 170, as I prefer it over the 160 even at 165 lbs… the smaller one is more playful and fun but if you have a Fuse already you’ll likely like the extra speed of the larger 170. It’s not really that big anyway and feels faster and looser when surfing.

      Let us know how it goes!

      Clay

  26. Paul
    July 17, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    Hello, I’m 5’8″ tall and weight 215 lbs. with a size 10.5 shoe. I’ve got about 8 years of paddling experience with the past 5 or so class 4 and 5 creeking. My creekboat is a Super Hero. I’m looking for a playboat for my primary rivers: New and Gauley. The Fun Runner is on my short list along with the Axiom and Z One. Today’s popular ultra stubby playboats aren’t for me.

    The Funner Runner 60 fits me just as well as the Fun Runner 70. Would the 60 suit me better because I’m maxing out the recommended weight range, or should I go with the 70? Thanks….

    1. Dustin Urban
      July 18, 2012 at 3:39 pm

      Hey Paul,

      I would say definitely go with the 70. At 215 I’m concerned that the 60 would be way squirrely on the New and Gauley. At 155 lbs I could stern squirt the 60, so at your weight i think you would be doing a lot of unintentional squirting, backendering, etc. I could be wrong, but I think you’ll find the 70 to still be playful and probably even stern squirtable- plus it will be way more doable for a long day of bigger water paddling on the New or Gauley. You can check out my review of the Fun Runner here:

      http://dustinurban.com/jackson-kayak-fun-runner-review/

      Happy paddling!

      Dustin

  27. Todd
    July 19, 2012 at 5:10 am

    I am 6’3″ around 175-180 LB, with a 36 inch inseam. I sat in a remix 69 and it was a bit to small, the vilian seemed very roomy but the Vilan S was about right with everything set at its limit. I am pretty new to the sport but I generally a quick study and want something I will enjoy on the river maybe playing around on a wave or even a creek down the road. I have been borrowing a Burn for class II – III so I know nothing better or worse. I want to push quickly for class IV. I was considering fun runner, zen, or Super Hero. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    1. July 22, 2012 at 2:04 pm

      Hey Todd
      Super Hero or Zen! Zen 75 would be the right size of that boat. Both do class 4 amazingly and our athletes use them on class 5 also.
      Surfing a wave the Zen does a better job then a Super hero as you get that zippy carving feeling out of it. but the super hero will provide a bit more stability. You would be stable in both but it depends on how much surfing you want to do.

      Creeking both are epic. Surfing they both work. Just very different feeling. One- the hero is a bit more buoyant feeling and the zen feels ALOT faster!

      Hope that helps!
      Emily Jackson

      1. Todd
        August 6, 2012 at 7:10 pm

        Thanks Emily. The shop convinced me that the faster boat would be better for the longer stretches of flat water so I got the Zen 75. Wondering if it will turn well enough for the smaller tighter creeks but so far so good.

        Thanks,
        Todd

  28. David
    July 24, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    I’m an intermediate paddler looking for a more playful boat for class three, easy four rivers. I am 6′ and 210-220 lbs and already have a larger downriver boat. I can’t decide between the Super Fun or the Fun Runner 70. I like the Super Fun idea (more play options), but don’t want to get a boat that is a struggle to run rivers in. What do you think?

    1. July 24, 2012 at 10:15 pm

      David,
      I’d personally go with the Super Fun. Even though it’s a little more playboat-shaped, it’ll float you high and dry at your size. It should be plenty stable and forgiving for class 3 and 4. PLUS, you’ll probably just have more fun surfing/squirting/playing in it.

      Enjoy!
      stephen

  29. smitty
    July 31, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    New to whitewater. Paddled plenty of flatwater. Im 5’11 165lbs I’m wondering if i should do the FR 60 or 70. I plan on focusing on playing and surfing mostly.I like speed and will mainly be running at the USNWC in charlotte. Also,if i took a FR onto the Catawba would it still get the job done for me? Tracking,speed etc… Any info would be great!

    1. July 31, 2012 at 11:26 pm

      At 165 and 5’11 you could enjoy the 60 more for playboating and some river running or the 70 for more speed and river running with some play and surfing. The 60 will be easier in a hole or on a wave with a foam pile, the 70 to spin on waves or paddle downriver. Try both if you get the chance!! Smaller for more play, larger for more speed and easier river running.

      Clay

  30. Jerry Williams
    August 1, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    I have been paddling a Kingpin 6.3 and am looking at either a Fun Runner or a 4-Fun to replace it. I spend my time paddling downriver and playing is limited to spins, rock splats, surfing stern squirting etc. I am 5’11” tall and weigh 185 with size 11’s. I have a creeker for the nasty bits so I am looking for a boat that will be the best for me. Suggestions and size recommendations?

    Jerry

    1. August 5, 2012 at 2:42 pm

      Jerry,
      Either the 4 fun or the Fun Runner would be a great ride for you. The fun runner would be faster downriver, but a good bit harder to stern squirt and do vertical tricks. It would spin great, surf flatter waves, be easier downriver, but be harder to splat. The 4 Fun would be more like a more comfortable, newer, more forgiving Kingpin. Much faster on a wave, should spin, squirt, and splat a good bit better as well. The 4 Fun should also be easier to river run in 🙂
      Hope that helps!!!
      Stephen

  31. chris hull
    August 6, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    hi guys

    im 6 6 and at the top end of the weight ranger of the 70. just have i like it. but it the boat going to have the room for my long legs. i have a villan at the leg rest are all the way frontward with some of the foam cut out of it. but i fit in on monstar with room to spare.

    from chris hull

  32. Paul Sargeant
    August 12, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    Hi guys,

    Looking for your help choosing a JK WW boat for beginner. Am 5’7″ 180#, 28″ inseam. Have done Class II fine in an old Remix. Don’t plan on anything bigger than Class III.

    Not super strong so an easy-roller would be a help. Downriver only, and hoping for something that reacts well to slight edging, yet has forgiving secondary stability and is pretty stable on primary. have tried the Rogue, but felt it was too sluggish and am hoping for a more responsive WW ride.

    Basically what I enjoy is eddy hopping and ferrying. Want a JK with the Uni-Shock system.

    Thanks!

    1. October 17, 2012 at 5:05 pm

      Hey Paul – sorry this got lost for awhile but here we go!

      At 180 sounds like the Zen 75 is your boat – not as long and fast as the Rogue but easy to roll, a great surfer, 9′ length for speed but planing hull for easy maneuverability and stability. Unishock bulkhead. Consider a 200 Sweet Cheeks to ‘tighten up” the fit of the boat if it feels too big.
      Enjoy! Clay

  33. Bill
    August 13, 2012 at 5:29 am

    hey
    i have been paddling a pyranah acrobat for about 10 years and would like to get a new boat with a flat bottom to do spins and for backsufing on waves. i will be paddling the bulkley river and it has some pretty big drops with lots of pushy water. i am not sure if i should go for the zen or the fun runner. would i get knocked over backwards with the funrunner in big water. i am 5’6″ and weigh 170lbs
    thanks

    1. August 14, 2012 at 12:40 pm

      Bill,
      You could go for either the Zen or the FunRunner. The Zen would be easier to paddle downriver, and a little faster overall. It surfs and spins great, but you’d lack the ability to eventually do any vertical moves with it. The FunRunner would give you the ability to eventually try blunts/cartwheels, but would definitely be a little swirlier downriver. I’d go for the Zen 75….love my ZEN!
      Stephen

  34. john
    August 17, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Trying to figure out which of your kayaks you would recommend i buy for a grand canyon trip.

    I live in the uk but currently have a jackson fun in seattle which i was planning to take but a bunch of people are telling me a long boat is better for the grand canyon for more speed. now i know it depends on what type of paddler you are etc, i have paddled big volume in nepal, india, turkey, BC, in both small play boats and done a bunch of creeking so i guess i am a fairly ok all round kayaker. I enjoyed the jackson fun at skooks and on the ottawa but would probably buy one of your star series for return trips there. So given the picture of what type of paddler i am do you think the jackson fun runner 60 would be a better choice for the grand canyon than the jackson fun (i am using general names here as not totally sure of the specific names for different sizes, i am 71kg or about 160 pounds (i think being a euro and not familier with pounds). also can you recommend a seattle stockist or some where on route from seattle to the grand canyon as i will be driving it is sept (fly into seattle on 13sept and get on grand on 18sept).

    1. October 17, 2012 at 5:16 pm

      Hey John –

      NO – I do not think a longer boat is better for the Grand Canyon unless you don’t plan on playboating and just want to enjoy the scenery.

      I chose a funrunner type boat on the canyon and regretted it daily, then took my 2010 All-star the next trip and LOVED it!

      For every wave you need a long boat there are several more where short boats work best. Once on a long boat wave in a long boat, a spin or blunt is your only option so it’s just not that rewarding unless no one will play with you in short boats on this trip.

      LEARN TO WAVE_WHEEL and KICKFLIP!!! You can do these in a Funrunner too but every rapid has 2-3 to 20 or more great peaked waves for these downriver tricks and my macho-move skills went from ”ok” to ”exceptional” by the end of the first 2 days because there are just SO MANY great rolling waves to practice on!

      At 160 Fun is great, 4-Fun would be a good mix of play and big-boat comfort and packing room, but I would take a 2013 STAR if possible to have the best of both worlds… shorter, faster, forgiving, bigger than Fun, smaller than 4-Fun.

      Looks like you are on the canyon already – sorry I missed this earlier it was in a long string of Fishing posts…appologies.

      Clay

  35. Sharla
    September 21, 2012 at 1:47 am

    Does Jackson sell or recommend specific skirts for their boats?

    1. September 21, 2012 at 1:51 pm

      Sharla,
      We don’t sell or manufacture skirts, just kayaks 🙂 But there are tons of great brands out there that will work well with our boats. Just let them know which boat you have, and they should be able to get you the right size. Try snapdragon, nrs, IR, Seals, Skirtworks, etc… Any of them make skirts that will work with Jackson Kayaks.
      Enjoy!
      Stephen

  36. Jose L.
    October 1, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    I have been paddling slalom (Galasport-Toro) for about 5 years and now I’m looking to buy a riverruning kayak (class III). Is the FunRunner 70 or the Zen 65 the best boat to run rivers searching for the good lines, faster than a playboating, catching the edge, etc,…So, paddling in slalom style? (my wheight: 180 lbs and 180 cm tall)

    1. October 16, 2012 at 6:32 am

      Hey Jose – Our most slalomesque model is the Funrunner and for you the 70 for sure. If you go Zen go 175 for the extra length and speed but I think you’ll really appreciate the FR 70. Let us know how it goes! Clay

  37. Ray Dowd
    January 2, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    Hey guys I’m wondering what the space for gear in this is like?? Could I fit in split paddles, dry bag etc?

    1. January 5, 2013 at 8:16 pm

      It’s bigger than a Fun, smaller than a Villain S. Don’t expect a 2-piece breakdown to fit but a 3 or 4 piece would fit fine.

      Drybag no problem, unless you want a sleeping bag and tent… that’s a no go. Camera, snacks and extra sweater.. basic stuff sure.

      Clay

      1. Noah
        January 6, 2013 at 4:41 pm

        I think I’m set on a fun runner and I’m 5’9″ about 145lbs but I’m not sure which would fit me best. I currently own 2 recreation kayaks I’ve had for years and just started doing some river running last year again. I don’t have any interest in creeking at this time and think a full playboat is probably out of my system at this point in my life, so I’m really looking towards something in between creeking and river running.

        Can anyone recommend a good size Fun Runner for me?

        Thanks!

        1. January 7, 2013 at 12:04 am

          Noah,
          I’m about your size (at least weight), and I’ve paddled the FunRunner 70, which felt like the right size. It will be much more forgiving and easy to learn in than the 60. The 70 should be a great boat for you.
          Enjoy!!
          Stephen

  38. Bill
    March 2, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Hi,

    How tall a guy can get into the Fun Runner 70? Would it fit someone 6’5″ with large feet?

  39. Ray Allen
    March 13, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Hi. I am very interested in purchasing a Fun Runner, but I don’t know which size is best for me. I am 5’4″ and currently weigh about 165 lbs. I intend to lose some weight and get down to about 145 lbs in the very near future. I have two years of experience and would consider myself an intermediate paddler. I am interested in surfing and river running. Thanks.

  40. Taco
    March 29, 2013 at 6:59 am

    I tested the FunRunner 70 last october 10th on the Slalom whitewater park (Noguera Pallaresa River, Spain, class II-II+). This is my opinion about this boat:
    1. I’ve paddled during the last 5 years with a carbonfiber slalom kayak (Galasport Toro) and sometimes with my JK-Fun. Now I’m looking for a riverrun boat  (class II, III) that brings me confidence and some slalom kayak feelings. I weight 180 lbs, 180 cm tall and 57 years old, so perhaps the FR-70 I tested was a little big for me, but it doesn’t seem a problem: the boat runs and flows perfectly, fast and easy to drive if you want to trace the line across the river or change quickly the direction with an oriented-traction paddle. Carving in the ferry or in the eddie is fantastic and confident. So the FR-70 has a great secondary stability and I get out of the water with a wide smile on my face. That’s true !!. It’s not literature and I understand now similar comments on the internet forums.
    2. Surfing in small waves: The boat surfs very well but I don’t think it’s the best boat that surfs in the world as I’ve read in some posts. I’ve seen no important differences comparing FR-70 to Dagger Juice 7.1, Dagger Outlaw or WaveSport-EZG / Fuse as well. Of course the feelings are similar to other JK playboatings like my JK-Fun or the JK-Star series I’ve tried. So it surfs very well, smoothly, but I’ve seen none great improvements (maybe the balance between my weight and the boat’s size had penalized my surf, maybe in great waves one can see more differences).
    3. Outfitting: Two hours paddling athletic, “non stop”, getting down and upstream gates and my feet, back, lowerback, legs, shoulders,… were perfect. The bulkhead system is curious and it works softly wen you push your feet at each stroke and I don’t like it (maybe I’m so much used to slalom kayak aluminium footrest). By the way, the boat it’s very comfortable for us oldies.
    4. The roll: Perfect. A little bit easier than my lovely JK-Fun because I can put my hands out of the water easier when setting the roll.
    5. Playing and pirouettes: None. My skills are limited to spins and easy vertical moves using my JK-Fun. The FR-70 is a riverrunner, not a playboating. Maybe with more pushing water or maybe with the FR-60 could I do some easy tricks?.
    6. Conclusion: The FR-70 is a perfect riverrunner boat for beginners because is a very confident, stable and funny boat. It’s perfect also for intermediate paddlers who want an old style boat or  want to paddle in slalom style (there’s no danger here to break the boat). So the FR-70 will be my next boat, for sure !!
    Regards from Spain (http://aiguesbraves.org)

  41. Rich
    April 19, 2013 at 6:05 am

    I’m 5-10, 165 lb without gear. 64 yrs old, solid 3+/4-. I currently have 2010 Fun, 2010 All-Star, and a newer medium Mamba. My All-Star is for park and play and occasionally running easy stretches with class 2 friends. The Mamba is for harder and/or bigger water mostly in winter, and minor creek-ish stuff in the spring. I’m trying to figure out where or if my Fun still fits in my mix. I like to surf and stern squirt, even when just mainly going down river. But the grabby-ness of the tail of the Fun keeps me scratching to keep it together more often that I like. Might the Fun Runner be a playful enough replacement for the Fun, and if so, what size should I try? Thanks!

  42. Jordan Sharp
    May 19, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    I am 6′ 3″ with a size 14 foot and 34″ inseem.. I am new to the paddling community. Would the Fun Runner 70 be a good choice for me?

    1. May 28, 2013 at 3:59 pm

      Hey Jordan –
      What’s your weight? The Funrunner and Zen’s 70 and 75 models are ”medium large” instead of ‘Large” so you will likely be best served by a Karma Lg UNLESS you are under 200lbs. A Super-hero is a great beginner boat as well, but if you want more play we have the Fun series with 4-Fun and Superfun for big guys. Give me your lbs and I’ll give you more info.

      Clay

  43. Justin McKelvey
    June 9, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    I am new to kayaking and I am looking to purchase a whitewater kayak. I do not want a fun boat. I am 6’2″ and 245 pounds what would be the best boat for me? I have been looking at the fun runner and villain.

    1. June 10, 2013 at 6:01 am

      Hey Justin –
      At 245 you’ll be choosing between the Villain and the Karma Lg rather than the Funrunner, which is only fitting for up to 200 or 220 max.

      I would go with the Karma Lg since it’s got a planing hull for funner surfing it’s got a bit more stability.

      Hope this helps!

      Clay

  44. Matthew Hamilton
    July 17, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    I am 5’10” weighing in around 200lbs and have a 30″ inseam! I have paddled russell fork about 4 times mostly class II a few class III but got out of it for a while want to get back in whats a good starter boat? Also hoping to get 9yr old daughter into it as well what would u recommend we will most always be on russell fork only 30 mins away

    1. July 18, 2013 at 2:31 am

      Hey Matthew:

      at your weight and experience level I suggest the Super-hero… and easy to maneuver, way stable boat perfect for your size. Add a sweet Cheeks 200 to lift you into the thigh hooks if that’s an issue but the boat should handle great on the lower volume creeky runs nearby.

      For your daughter that would be a Lil Hero – perfect for really small paddlers… a full on creeker sized down for kids. A Hero or Karma S if you want it to last for years and expect her to grow. Another option for her would be the Zen 55 – more surfy, lighter weight, and a bit faster on the flats for her.

      Hope this helps! Clay

  45. Caleb R
    August 17, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Hello,
    I am a beginning kayaker and I am looking to purchase a boat. I weigh 150 and I am 5’8″. I would like a river runner that isn’t a tank to go down river in. Would the Fun Runner provide that? If not, what are some alternatives?
    Thanks!
    Caleb R

    1. August 20, 2013 at 8:00 pm

      Hey Caleb:

      At 150 and looking for a lighter, sporty river runner I suggest the Zen 65 or Funrunner 60 or 70. The Zen is a really sporty boat with ample surf potential … I paddle the 75 for speed in races but the 65 is a lot more ”fun” though a bit more sporty in big water. The Funrunner 60 will be sportier still, the funrunner 70 will be a great mix of fast, forgiving, and sporty.

      Check em out when you can!

      Clay

  46. Gino
    August 23, 2013 at 4:08 am

    Hi, new to the sport and looking for a good beginner boat suggestion. I’m a short 5’7 heavy guy (200lbs) and my instructor told me to start out with a river runner. I was thinking the zen would be a great fit, but I have some concerns because I’ve heard it’s not as forgiving in the upper weight bracket. Is the Fun runner a better choice or would you recommend a different boat all together?

    1. August 27, 2013 at 3:13 pm

      Hey Ginoa –

      At 200 the Zen 75 is a great boat for you as an ”all arounder” as it’s a great surfer and has sharper edges for carving slalom-like turns, but if you want something even more forgiving and less edgy consider the Super-hero or Karma L.

      The Super-hero is a tall, short boat that’s so forgiving it lets paddlers of all skill levels push their limits with ease. It’s not a great wave surfer, but makes short work of low volume steeps AND the class 2-4 rivers most paddlers run most of the time (Ocoee, Tellico, Chattooga, etc.). Unless you are paddling ”Big” water it’s my top pick for new boaters at 200 lbs.

      You’ll want to sit up higher to make the most of your torso length so consider a Sweet Cheeks 200 or an extra foam seat pad.

      The Karma is faster and longer and a bit more high performance to drive, so this boat will be a bit heavier but might be better if your local run is a high volume river or you want to log more miles per day.

      Hope this helps!

      Clay

  47. Justin
    August 28, 2013 at 2:54 am

    Hey,
    I am brand new to whitewater kayaking and am looking for a boat. Top priority is stability and ease of rolling. I’m 6’2, 220lbs 32 inch inseam. Thoughts? Thanks!

    1. August 30, 2013 at 5:58 pm

      Hey Justin –

      My top play picks for you are 2014 Rockstar Large for playboating primarily, 2013 Super-star for class 2-3 riverrunning and lots of play.

      For just getting downriver I would choose the Karma L or shorter Super-hero. These are big boats with lots of volume and stability and you’ll be much less likely to flip over in them. Super-hero is easier to drive and steer as it’s short (8′) and easy to turn – perfect for lower volume runs or throwing in the back of a truck or van.
      Karma L is faster and longer so it’s better for big water (2000cfs +) or longer runs. It’s a 9′ boat so it’s a bit heavier and more cumbersome to load.

      All are easy but different to roll – just depends on your roll which one is easier.

      Hope this helps!

      Clay

  48. Eric Hobart
    September 6, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Hi,

    After a decade+ away, I’m looking to get back into whitewater kayaking. I’m an experienced boater (class IV western), but way rusty.

    I’m 6’5″, 35-inch inseam, 235 pounds.

    I enjoy surfing … not a big fan of acrobatics (cartwheels, bow stall, etc., although an ender here and there is nice). Would likely be in the boat for 4+ hours at a time.

    Suggestions?

    Thanks.

    1. September 11, 2013 at 5:51 pm

      Hey Eric –
      2 options, either be pretty large for a Zen 75 and do some stern squirting but surf your brains out on waves OR

      Get a Karma Lg and be the right size in our best selling creek / river running design. It’s a 9′ full volume creeker but longer than our past offerings (9′) and with a planing hull to maximize the ‘fun’ factor when surfing or just trying to get back on line. Much bigger than older offerings but a really high performance boat that’s forgiving as well as fast and carvy.

      Enjoy!

      Clay

  49. David
    October 1, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Hi Everyone,

    just find this forum and i have a question about my size. Im 6`1“ tall and about 160 lbs. Looking for a good beginner, intermediate all rounder boat. Im was thinking of the riot booster, but not sure is the 55 big enough for me or too small. If anyone tried or have this boat with my sizes please help with your opinion! Thaaanks! David

    1. October 8, 2013 at 2:44 am

      Hey David –

      At 160 you’ll be in a medium JK boat so consider the Fun for max flatwater ends and play with some river running, the Zen for the most river running with some play, and the Funrunner 60 or 70 in between. I am not familiar with the Booster, though in general our boats have taller decks and wider knees so more volume even in the same size boat.

      All the best!

      Clay

  50. Fred h
    October 27, 2013 at 1:47 am

    Hello JK
    I’m really interested in the fun runner. I am 6’0 and 200 lbs size 10 1/2 foot and and 34″ in seam. Would the fun runner 70 be a good fit for me. Let me know and thanks

    1. October 27, 2013 at 5:14 pm

      Fred,
      you should be a good size in the 70. It’ll be a very playful, fast river runner for you at your size. Enjoy!!!
      Stephen

  51. whoever
    December 10, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    I’m 5’11”, 175lb, had plenty of paddling experience, just never in a plastic boat. Lived in an apartment building far away from river and overall not a very athletic person. So my paddling will be limited to some surfing and up to class IV river running.

    I want the smallest and lightest boat that fits my need and Fun Runner 60 seems a fit. I know I’m not in the ideal range for that boat as a beginner, but I’m willing to put in a little extra work and save the trouble of having a second boat later.

    Somehow I got the feeling that Fun Runner is not a very popular boat, and even here, you promote Zen more than Fun Runner.

    Any thought? Thanks.

    1. whoever
      December 20, 2013 at 12:21 am

      Everyone gone paddling? Have the boat sit in my shopping cart for days and got even more concerned as I read every posts here and in the FUN series comments.

      It seems the FR60 was categorized as “in between 2FUN and FUN” and frequently recommended to people under 150lb. 70 was recommended to people in the 180 and above.

      But somehow, the 60 felt right when I sit in there and the 70 like a barge. Help please.

      1. December 20, 2013 at 2:00 pm

        Whoever,
        A lot of it just depends on personal preference and what you want the boat to do. Our recommended weight ranges are there to help people figure out how big that we think they should be to make the boat perform as we intended it to: a sporty, forgiving, lightweight, river runner that’s fun to surf. It’s not designed to flatwater cartwheel, blunt on a wave, or stern squirt easily…sure, people CAN do those things in this boat…but it’s not as easy as a playboat. If you want the FunRunner to be easier for those kinds of things, then paddle it on the heavy side (Colin Kemp is much heavier than I’d recommend most folks go in the 70, and he loves it!). If you really want forgiveness and easy downstream paddling, go with the next size up or with the Zen 65, which is sized kind of between the two FunRunners. If you have experience running rivers in playboats, and want that kind of feel, but in a much faster package, the 60 would be a lot of fun!

        Try to demo one/or both sizes if you can… With the 70, if the fit is big then add some foam to the seat and sit a little higher. Our boats have a ridiculous amount of leg room. Maybe more than any other time in the history of kayaking, we have tons of boats that folks can comfortably fit in that are really a little too small for them. IE, I fit into a Fun 1.5, Sidekick, Zen 55, Little Hero, and I’ve even squeezed into a shooting star–none of which would paddle well for me at 145. In the medium sized boats (which are generally good for me), I have to sit up a little higher and sometimes add more foam to get the fit right, but then the performance is perfect.

        Hope that helps!!! The only way to really know which size you’ll like best is to demo, but I hope that my thoughts help a bit! Both sizes are great boats!
        Stephen

        1. whoever
          December 20, 2013 at 6:01 pm

          Thanks for the detailed explanation. I guess it’s silly to position myself to where Colin Kemp felt great, especially consider that I have never been on a real river in a plastic boat. Hey, but I did roll on both side in an hour, so who knows.

          I know it will be a long while before I can judge a boat and I’m really not in a position to buy. But just itchy for some shiny new toys under my imaginary tree ^_^

      2. whoever
        December 21, 2013 at 9:02 pm

        Went for a 4Fun instead, guess it’s impossible to go wrong with that.

        1. December 22, 2013 at 1:16 am

          SWEET!!! You’ll love it! Welcome to plastic kayaks!!!
          Stephen

  52. Dana D'Esopo
    December 12, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    I am a large male at 6’2″ and have taken my 12 foot flat water through class 2 and 3 but navigating the greyhound through those isn’t that exciting I was wondering if you have any good suggestions for a 250lb male to still have fun without burning out my arms because I’m trying to do 180s and surf with a tourbus

    1. January 13, 2014 at 8:21 pm

      Hey Dana –
      We have several options for you in the playboat category if you want something really different that also surfs well.

      First choice would be the Super-fun, a big boat for really big guys that surfs great and can downriver run too. Our top end big guy playboat is the Mon-star which is shorter and might be more advanced. For just everyday paddling downriver and to promote your river running skills I suggest the Karma Lg, which will outsurf most other creekers but isn’t actually a playboat – it’s more for paddling downstream but at 9′ with a planing hull it’s gonna be a big improvement! Hit me back for more when needed. Clay, Team JK

  53. Sal
    December 29, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    I paddle slalom and also have a kingpin that I have used to run French Alpine rivers. I’m looking for a larger boat to run rivers in but don’t want a tank. I note the Fun Runner 60 and Zen 55 have similar volume but very different paddler weight recommendations. I’m not planning on paddling big volume rivers and want to be able to play the river. At 130 pounds I’m easily within the Fun Runner range but just past the Zen despite the similar volumes. I’d thought the Zen would be more forgiving, can you explain? Many thanks
    Sal

    1. December 31, 2013 at 2:57 pm

      Sal,
      Great questions! Volume doesn’t equal sizing. A Sidekick (kids’ river runner) has about the same volume as a 2013 Star, but are VERY differently sized boats… Volume is just one number that tells the tale–the shape can be really different with two boats of the same volume. So we learn from lots of people who have paddled all our boats how each boat works at various sizes of people. Then we continually adjust our recommended weight ranges accordingly. I’m 145 lbs, and can say that the Funrunner 60 felt like a good size on me, and that the Zen 65 also feels like the perfect size Zen for me. The Zen 55 really paddles like a larger kid’s boat. Because the Funrunner 60 is shorter and slightly wider than the Zen 55 with a similar amount of volume, it should LIKELY paddle like a bigger-sized boat (more forgiving at the same weight person).

      At your size, you certainly could paddle a Zen 55, but it would likely feel less stable and forgiving than a boat that you’re more in the middle of our weight range for. Not that you wouldn’t enjoy it, just that it might paddle differently than we intended. The Fun Runner would likely be more forgiving than the Zen 55. The Zen 65 (which really is a smaller medium) would also be a good option.
      Hope that helps!!!
      Stephen

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